Monday 20 May 2013

Hundreds devote Packers pregame to Hoan Bridge details

cycling, Hoan Bridge

An extended question-and-answer session on proposals to put a bike and pedestrian lane on the Hoan Bridge revealed new details Monday night, in advance of a decision expected in December.

Close to 300 people turned out for the public information meeting, which showed their pregame priorities ahead of the kickoff of the Packers vs. Vikings game on Monday Night football.

Supporters of the proposal came away with the knowledge that the projections for increased traffic congestion in the less-costly options were based on a 60-mph speed over the Hoan. The speed limit is 50.

Opponents focused on the safety questions, the cost, and their perceptions that the bike and pedestrian lane would get little use for much of the year.

The Wisconsin Department of Transportation hosted the meeting to share information and gather input on the pathway proposal. State officials will decide whether to add the bike and pedestrian lane during the bridge rehabilitation.

That decision will be made by the end of the year. The deadline for providing comments is Nov. 30.

The rehabilitation work will start in 2013 and is expected to cost $275 million to $350 million.

Through a representative, Sheriff David Clarke reasserted his opposition to the proposals now being reviewed by the DOT.

Heavy traffic moving next to bikers, runners and walkers is a “recipe for catastrophe,” Lt. William Brown said, while reading a statement from the sheriff. “I don’t care what kind of safety barrier you put up.”

That concrete barrier – to separate the path from northbound traffic in the least-costly option – would be nearly four feet high. The fencing on the outside of the 14-foot pathway would be nine feet tall.

The five alternatives being considered by the DOT range in cost from $9.5 million to eliminate a northbound traffic lane and construct the bike path on the east side of the existing bridge to $95.5 million to build an elevated path 17 feet above the current roadway. In between, the options include $27.5 million to build the path in the center of the bridge and $84.4 million to build a separate bridge 30 feet east of the existing span.

Connecting the pathway to the support structure now in place would cost $76.4 million.

(The full study can be found here.)

This rendering shows the $9.4 million option for a bike and pedestrian path on the Hoan Bridge.

Opponents objected to the high costs, and the potential loss of a lane for northbound traffic.

In the feasibility study, the DOT reported that reducing northbound traffic to two lanes would drop the flow of traffic to an unacceptable level, based on 2035 traffic projections. The details shared Monday night showed that the congestion would occur one hour a day, the 7 a.m. to 8 a.m. peak, and were based on a 60 mph free-flow over the bridge.

The more costly alternatives preserve six lanes of traffic in both directions on the Hoan, which is projected to carry 58,500 vehicles a day in 2035.

“To take out a lane for cars is ridiculous,” said Sandra Smith, a Bay View resident.

Smith also estimated that the high winds and nasty weather would keep bikers off the bridge roughly seven months of the year.

Advocates argue that more and more residents commute by bicycle, and ride even through the winter. In addition, they content the bike lane over the Hoan would provide a safer option for cyclists riding from Bay View to Downtown, and serve as a tourist attraction.

“People discount that, but it adds a whole dimension you can’t ignore,” said Robert Austin, of Shorewood. “This is a huge opportunity that isn’t going to come through again.”

In something of a counterpoint to Clark’s public opposition, Craig Mastantuono explained why Milwaukee Board of Harbor Commissioners recently voted unanimously in support of adding a bike and pedestrian path the bridge over the Port of Milwaukee.

The commission recognizes that commercial operations and recreational activities don’t have to be mutually exclusive, said Mastantuono, a harbor commissioner.

In addition to the Harbor Commission, the Milwaukee County Long-Range Lakefront Planning Committee has endorsed the addition of a lane for bikers and pedestrians on the two-mile bridge.

35 Comments for "Hundreds devote Packers pregame to Hoan Bridge details"

  1. As I understand it, the study predicted that removing one northbound lane would would cause no problem until 2035, and even after 2035 would just prevent everybody from driving 60 mph for one hour each week day. But the speed limit is only 50 mph, so there is no reason for the bridge to support 60 mph traffic.

    Furthermore, even if there is one hour of slower traffic each weekday, the bridge would still be uncongested 97% of the time (163 out of 168 hours every week).

    I think they should remove one northbound lane for now and see how the new bike lane is used. If, as critics claim, it is barely used, remove it if and when traffic on the remaining two lanes becomes jammed. Until then, bikers and walkers can use the third northbound lane more than cars could.

    TransitRider Nov 15, 2011 12:40 AM

  2. I'm not sure how many of you are familiar with the Third Ward, but there is an old rail line west of the Summerfest Grounds. This rail line was primarily north and south and went past Veterans Park before turning Northeast. This rail line is already used for the Oak Leaf trail. There is an abandoned Swing Railroad Bridge on the Milwaukee River near the corner of S. Water and East Florida Street. This could be used for a bike path. I've created a Google Maps preview of what it would look like.

    Here is the link: http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF&msa=0&msid=
    201882482887070082411.0004b1c02a406dbfe87da

    KWOakCreek Nov 15, 2011 12:43 AM

  3. Key word is 'abandoned" that old swing bridge is left open for a reason, a bike bridge would have to be able to move or tall enough to allow sailboats under. Also there is plans to use the old rail grade but it will dump back onto the street and use the bridge near Erie and Young

    ride no evo Nov 15, 2011 1:53 AM

  4. Thanks, had to duck out after a few questions.

    ride no evo Nov 15, 2011 1:53 AM

  5. This rail bridge appears to be part of the old Northwestern line to Chicago. It saw passenger service into the mid- to late-1960's. Passenger service disappeared when Northwestern closed its train station (at the east end of Wisconsin Avenue--I think the front door was on Cass just south of Wisconsin) and moved its trains to the Milwaukee Road station (current Amtrak station) on St Paul.

    Even if the bridge is still operable, somebody would have to pay for its maintenance and for a bridgekeeper who would open and close the bridge for ships.The bridge would have to remain open (and impassible for bikes) whenever there was no bridgekeeper on duty. Over the 25-year lifespan of the bike lane (until around 2035 when the Hoan's 3rd northbound lane might actually be needed for northbound vehicular traffic), these costs might approach the cost of adding the lane to the Hoan.

    TransitRider Nov 15, 2011 4:15 AM

  6. I never said the federal government would not agree to it, I said it would be doubtful. As for safety on the Tappan Zee Bridge, I read a case study about that years ago and it was stated, with the shoulders removed and lanes narrowed crashes went up.

    The same procedure was done on 94 in Minneapolis after the 35W bridge collapse. Four 11 foot lanes with no shoulder instead of 3 lanes with a shoulder. The last I have heard, safety issues have gone up due to the elimination of the shoulder.

    huggybear28 Nov 15, 2011 6:46 AM

  7. Currently the Hoan with three lanes is operating at Level of Service C. With two lanes, it is predicted today, it would be operating at Level of Service D or E. E is unacceptable as it causes a delay in traffic. By 2035 the level of service would be at F. This is the failure of traffic flow with extensive bumper to bumper congestion. Even with today's traffic, having two lanes is predicted to be unacceptable to the goals of having a level of service D or better on milwaukees interstates. (This was all in the executive summary of the report)

    huggybear28 Nov 15, 2011 6:51 AM

  8. Please don't take another driving lane away. That was already done on 1st Street. Even in GOOD biking weather (which is only about half the year here in WI), I have seen very few people using those bike lanes. Meanwhile, traffic is backed up at every light because it is only one lane each way now. People need to be able to get in and out of downtown from the south smoothly and efficiently.

    Mandy555 Nov 15, 2011 7:38 AM

  9. huggybear28 What was explained at the meeting was that they believe by 2035 for 1 hour per day, traffic might slow to 47mph (or LOS F as they called it). For 1 hour a day people might essentially have to essentially drive the speed limit!

    Dave Reid Nov 15, 2011 8:35 AM

  10. Considering he sees more safety statistics on the Hoan and the rest of the freeway system than you, I'd probably say he qualifies as an expert.

    MKEJake Nov 15, 2011 8:45 AM

  11. Plus, historically for every $1 we have spent on bicycle infrastructure our economy now reaps a $4 return annually. If I borrowed $1000 from you one time, but then told you I'd pay you $4000 yearly after that, what would you do?

    rekmke Nov 15, 2011 10:00 AM

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